Legislature(2011 - 2012)CAPITOL 17

03/15/2011 01:00 PM House TRANSPORTATION


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+= HB 64 PERMANENT MOTOR VEHICLE REGISTRATION TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 64(TRA) Out of Committee
+= HB 10 NONCOMMERCIAL TRAILER REGISTRATION FEE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 10(TRA) Out of Committee
*+ HB 131 COMMUNITY AND TRANSPORTATION ADV. BOARD TELECONFERENCED
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         HB 131-COMMUNITY AND TRANSPORTATION ADV. BOARD                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:49:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON  announced that final order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 131,  "An Act  establishing the  Alaska Community                                                               
and Public Transportation Advisory Board  and relating to a long-                                                               
range  community and  public transportation  plan; and  providing                                                               
for an effective date."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:50:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KENDRA KLOSTER,  Staff, Representative Cathy Munoz,  Alaska State                                                               
Legislature,  stated  that  the   bill  would  create  an  Alaska                                                               
Community and  Public Transportation Advisory Board.   This would                                                               
assist in the development and  procedural recommendations made by                                                               
the Governor's Coordinated Transportation  Task force in February                                                               
2010.   Transportation is important  to communities.   This board                                                               
will  continue  efforts  to address  state,  federal,  and  local                                                               
community-based   transportation  services.     The   board  will                                                               
continue efforts  to address public and  community transportation                                                               
and help  fill the gap  in transportation for people  who require                                                               
more specialized  travel, including  senior citizens,  low income                                                               
individuals,  persons  with  disabilities,   and  those  who  are                                                               
transit-dependent.   The  Community  and Transportation  Advisory                                                               
Board would consist  of 13 members from  departments within state                                                               
and local  governments, the Denali Commission,  the Alaska Mental                                                               
Health  Trust  Authority,  nonprofits, senior  citizens,  persons                                                               
with  disabilities,  and  transit-dependent  individuals.    This                                                               
broad  range of  membership could  help facilities  communication                                                               
and strategies that will benefit  communities of all sizes.  This                                                               
bill  has  support  from  the   Alaska  Mobility  Coalition,  the                                                               
Governor's  Council   on  Disabilities  and   Special  Education,                                                               
Advisory  Board   on  Alcoholism  and  Drug   Abuse,  the  Alaska                                                               
Commission on  Aging, Alaska Mental  Health Trust  Authority, the                                                               
Alaska Brain  Injury Network, Suicide Prevention  Council and the                                                               
AARP.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. KLOSTER stated  that the board's expenses will  be similar to                                                               
the  task  force  currently  in   place.    The  Federal  Transit                                                               
Administration funding provides 90 percent  of the $110,000.  The                                                               
state will  provide matching funds  and an additional  10 percent                                                               
of the funding is provided by the Alaska Mental Health Trust.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG remarked that he  was glad this bill was                                                               
introduced.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:53:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFF   OTTESEN,  Director,   Division  of   Program  Development,                                                               
Department  of  Transportation   &  Public  Facilities  (DOT&PF),                                                               
deferred to Eric Taylor, who prepared the fiscal note.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ERIC  TAYLOR,  Statewide  Plan &  Transit,  Division  of  Program                                                               
Development,  Department of  Transportation  & Public  Facilities                                                               
(DOT&PF), stated that he prepared the fiscal note.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:53:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  P. WILSON  asked what  portion of  the funding  is derived                                                               
from federal funds.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  TAYLOR estimated  the Community  and Transit  Advisory Board                                                               
funding would  be as follows:   $90,000 from the  Federal Transit                                                               
Administration for  program planning,  $10,000 in  state matching                                                               
funds, and $10,000 from the Alaska  Mental Health Trust Fund.  In                                                               
response to Chair P. Wilson,  Mr. Taylor explained that typically                                                               
the Federal Transit  Authority requires a 20 percent  match.  The                                                               
DOT&PF  generally  uses  planning  funds.    The  state  receives                                                               
approximately  $6.8   million  to   support  rural   transit  and                                                               
community transportation programs.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:56:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P.  WILSON asked  if the  project would  require additional                                                               
staff.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. TAYLOR answered  that the DOT&PF foes  not anticipate needing                                                               
any additional staff.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:56:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT  asked  if $90,000  represents  additional                                                               
funds  from the  federal  government  or if  the  funds would  be                                                               
shifted towards this program.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. OTTESEN explained that part  of the funds is deliberately set                                                               
aside for planning.   This is funding that pays  for the planning                                                               
task.   For  the  past two  years, the  department  has used  the                                                               
planning  funding to  conduct  the work  of  the Governor's  Task                                                               
Force.   This would create  a permanent commission rather  than a                                                               
temporary task force.   This funding would not  change the effort                                                               
but  would carry  forward  the  funding into  future  years.   He                                                               
recalled  the DOT&PF  has a  difficult time  spending all  of the                                                               
spending  funding  and  typically  returns some  to  the  federal                                                               
government.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT  asked whether  the DOT&PF  anticipates the                                                               
same level of planning funding.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  OTTESEN answered  yes.    He said  if  anything the  federal                                                               
transit funding appears to be on  a growth curve.  In response to                                                               
Chair  P.  Wilson,  Mr. Ottesen  explained  that  the  Governor's                                                               
Coordinated Transportation  Task Force has operated  for a little                                                               
more than  one year.   The previous task  force was in  place for                                                               
about 15 months, with a gap  in between.  He currently chairs the                                                               
existing Governor's  Coordinated Transportation  Task Force.   He                                                               
stressed that  additional work needs  to be done.   He elaborated                                                               
that coordinated  transportation is  about spending  dollars more                                                               
wisely.   He stated that  about 60 categories of  federal funding                                                               
provide  transportation for  injured  veterans, senior  citizens,                                                               
persons  with disabilities  or who  are low-income.   He  said it                                                               
does not  make sense to  have all those vehicles  running around,                                                               
each  carrying   a  fraction  of  the   population,  without  any                                                               
coordination in dispatch  or motor pool.   The federal government                                                               
has been pushing coordinated transportation  to try to reduce the                                                               
spending from so many sources.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:59:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P.  WILSON asked for  clarification on the  federal funding                                                               
in Alaska,  whether it is provided  in a lump sum  or is parceled                                                               
out to various agencies.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  OTTESEN answered  that the  state  receives Federal  Transit                                                               
funding  in  different  categories,  with  different  eligibility                                                               
requirements.    The DOT&PF  is  the  only recipient  of  transit                                                               
funds.   The  rest of  the funding  is distributed  through other                                                               
agencies, such  as the Department  of Health and  Social Services                                                               
(DHSS) or the Department of  Military & Veterans' Affairs (DMVA).                                                               
He  said  other separate  agencies  are  working to  ensure  that                                                               
coordination  since  everyone benefit.    He  said thus  far  the                                                               
effort  cuts   across  the  silos   of  state   government  local                                                               
government   since   they   provide  services   for   nonprofits.                                                               
"Organizations tend to stay in their silos," he said.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:00:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   P.   WILSON    asked   whether   Governor's   Coordinated                                                               
Transportation  Task Force  will be  consolidated into  one area,                                                               
such as  DOT&PF, and bill other  agencies or if the  service will                                                               
still be in individual agencies.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. OTTESEN provided  a "rose colored vision" such  that a client                                                               
from  one  program   would  use  a  smart  card   to  access  the                                                               
coordinated vehicle  the card  would be read  and billed  back to                                                               
the respective agency, including  that the Department of Military                                                               
& Veterans' Affairs for a  disabled veteran.  He anticipated that                                                               
the service  would be seamless  and transparent, with  a computer                                                               
system handling the details of the charges.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:02:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  referred to  page  2  of the  DOT&PF's                                                               
fiscal note.   He said that  the bill establishes the  board, but                                                               
then it says the bill increases the size of the board.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  OTTESEN  related that  the  new  board is  functionally  the                                                               
equivalent  of  the  Governor's Coordinated  Transportation  Task                                                               
Force, which was established by administrative order.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:02:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  referred to page  2, lines 19-20  of HB
131,  which identifies  one board  member shall  be a  member who                                                               
represents   municipalities   that   operate  modes   of   public                                                               
transportation.   He suggested that  it may be advisable  to have                                                               
two members since the needs  of small and large communities vary.                                                               
He  reiterated his  support to  add an  additional member  so the                                                               
board  would  be  a  14  member board.    He  asked  whether  six                                                               
communities operate transportation.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. TAYLOR answered that  nine communities operate transportation                                                               
systems in the state.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:04:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG   asked  for  the  population   of  the                                                               
communities since  it seems that  smaller communities'  needs are                                                               
different than those  of Anchorage.  He then referred  to page 3,                                                               
line  7 of  HB  131, noting  that the  board  could petition  the                                                               
governor to  remove a  member if  the member  misses two  or more                                                               
meetings  in  a  calendar  year.   He  suggested  adding  "or  is                                                               
otherwise unable to serve."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  OTTESEN  related  the  DOT&PF   is  neutral  on  bill.    He                                                               
understood the logic.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ said that would be okay.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:05:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON  appreciated the suggested change,  but he                                                               
pointed  out  that the  member  serves  at  the pleasure  of  the                                                               
governor so he was unsure that  the clarification was needed.  He                                                               
explained that extenuating circumstances  may require a person to                                                               
miss meetings.   He  said he is  comfortable giving  the governor                                                               
the authority.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  P. WILSON  suggested  that  Representative Gruenberg  work                                                               
with the sponsor.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:06:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON  asked how the proposed  board composition                                                               
correlates to the task force.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. TAYLOR related  some differences exist in terms  of the state                                                               
agency  representation.    The  current  task  force  includes  a                                                               
representative  from  the  Department of  Commerce,  Community  &                                                               
Economic Development  and the Department  of Education  and Early                                                               
Development (DOEED) but does not include the Denali Commission.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P.  WILSON commented that  she could understand  adding the                                                               
Denali Commission.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  OTTESEN related  the members  include a  representative from                                                               
the  nonprofit  provide services  and  from  a scheduled  transit                                                               
service,  a smaller  nonprofit  in Kenai,  a  tribal run  transit                                                               
system in  Sitka.  He  expressed some  people attend but  are not                                                               
specifically members of the task force.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:08:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOHNSON  asked whether  the  DOEED  also has  any                                                               
funding sources.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  OTTESEN  answered  that  the   idea  of  the  Department  of                                                               
Education and Early  Development is largely due  to their funding                                                               
for  school  buses.    In  some systems,  the  school  buses  are                                                               
incorporated  into the  idea of  coordinated transportation.   He                                                               
stated  that  raises some  practical  issues  since school  buses                                                               
transport children, school buses  typically are not equipped with                                                               
seatbelts.  Some states have used school buses successfully.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON agreed that school  buses are not used for                                                               
portions of the day  so it may offer a way  to better utilize the                                                               
asset.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:10:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG expressed  concern that  90 percent  of                                                               
the  funding for  the proposed  board is  federally funded.   The                                                               
state  cannot  expect  the  same  level  of  federal  funding  to                                                               
continue.  He recalled that  the legislature sometimes requires a                                                               
report from the  department to the legislature in  the event that                                                               
funding changes are  significant.  He asked  for the department's                                                               
view on adding a fiscal note  to require the department to notify                                                               
the legislature if federal funding changes.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. OTTESEN  answered that he  could not imagine adding  a fiscal                                                               
note  to  provide that  type  of  information.   He  agreed  that                                                               
federal funding is chaotic and difficult to predict.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG recalled  whether  seatbelts in  school                                                               
buses is an emerging issue.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON suggested that is a different topic.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  P.  WILSON  related  her  understanding  that  if  funding                                                               
changed   the   DOT&PF   would  bring   it   up   during   budget                                                               
deliberations.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. OTTESEN agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:13:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID LEVY, Executive Director,  Alaska Mobility Coalition (AMC),                                                               
stated he  currently is attending  a National  Transit Conference                                                               
in Washington,  D.C.  He offered  the AMC is a  private nonprofit                                                               
membership organization  that advocates for statewide  public and                                                               
community transportation.   He related that  the AMC's membership                                                               
includes  members  from  Bethel,   Prince  of  Wales  Island  and                                                               
"everything  in  between."   He  explained  that its  97  members                                                               
provide Alaskans  over 7,000,000  rides to work,  school, medical                                                               
appointments, shopping,  and for recreational opportunities.   He                                                               
offered  the AMC's  support  for  HB 131.    The  AMC has  worked                                                               
closely with the DOT&PF and  the governor the current Coordinated                                                               
Transportation Task  Force.  Transportation  in Alaska  is unique                                                               
and  the state  needs a  long-term committee  to coordinate  with                                                               
many silos  that offer transportation.   He characterized  HB 131                                                               
as a  good first step.   He expressed excitement for  a permanent                                                               
board to oversee statewide public and community transportation.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:16:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE  asked  whether   any  federal  monies  are                                                               
available to individual municipalities.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LEVY  related that  four  municipally  run transit  systems:                                                               
Anchorage, Fairbanks, Ketchikan,  and Juneau.  A  number of local                                                               
nonprofits,  tribal   governments,  and  everything   in  between                                                               
provide transportation  services.  A local  community could apply                                                               
and Mr.  Taylor could  provide information on  that process.   He                                                               
offered his  belief that local communities  and local governments                                                               
have to make that investment.   He recognized the cost associated                                                               
in doing so.   Communities all over the state  are realizing they                                                               
need  to figure  out how  to move  people.   Many nonprofits  and                                                               
tribal entities  have stepped up  to provide  services, including                                                               
the senior  center in  Kodiak and  combined tribal  and nonprofit                                                               
service in Sitka, he said.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:18:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE asked how  many state transportation systems                                                               
are  profitable   self-supporting  or  if  the   systems  require                                                               
continued funding.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LEVY  related  that  most  transit  systems  in  Alaska,  as                                                               
elsewhere,  require some  type  of subsidy.    In most  instances                                                               
local  or nonprofit  organizations raise  funds and  partner with                                                               
federal, local, or tribal partnerships to survive.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE asked whether  the organizations can survive                                                               
without subsidies.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEVY  pointed out  this is  one of  the challenges,  that all                                                               
forms  of  transportation ranging  from  ferries  to public  road                                                               
systems need  some type of subsidy.   He offered his  belief that                                                               
many nonprofits and communities  have been creative in addressing                                                               
funding.    In  response  to  Representative  Johnson,  Mr.  Levy                                                               
indicated the statewide  transportation system provides 7,000,000                                                               
trips per year or almost 10,000 trips per day.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:19:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOHNSON asked how many people that represents.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEVY  offered to  provide the committee  with a  breakdown by                                                               
community based on figures from an annual statewide survey.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:20:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   MUNOZ  related   her  understanding   that  nine                                                               
communities have  public transit.   She asked  for a list  of the                                                               
combined nonprofit and tribal entities.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LEVY  answered  yes.    He  said he  has  a  list  of  state                                                               
recognized transit  systems in Alaska  that receive  pass through                                                               
federal funds awarded through the competitive bid process.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:21:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARIE  DARLIN,   Coordinator,  AARP  Capital  City   Task  Force,                                                               
referred  to  a letter  of  support  from  the AARP  in  members'                                                               
packets.  She related her  understanding that this recommendation                                                               
comes from the Governor's  Coordinated Transportation Task Force.                                                               
She reported  that she  has heard at  Alaska Commission  on Aging                                                               
meetings about  the work the task  force has accomplished.    The                                                               
Alaska Commission on Aging conducted  a survey to plan how senior                                                               
services  would  be addressed.    One  of the  biggest  statewide                                                               
issues raised  was the need  for transportation and the  need for                                                               
coordination  of transportation  services, particularly  in rural                                                               
areas.   Alaska  is one  of the  few states  without a  community                                                               
transportation task  force such as  the one HB 131  would create.                                                               
She emphasized  that was the  point the survey  identified, which                                                               
is the need more coordination in our communities.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. DARLIN commented that transportation  funding is derived from                                                               
many sources,  such as the  funding from the Older  Americans Act                                                               
funding  is  directed to  the  Department  of Health  and  Social                                                               
Services (DHSS).   The DHSS provides grants  to various nonprofit                                                               
to provide  transportation services.  She  stressed the necessity                                                               
of  providing  coordination  of  transportation  services.    She                                                               
commended the  work of the Governor's  Coordinated Transportation                                                               
Task Force.   She expressed her hope the work  will continue by a                                                               
commission  who  could  consider   the  broader  perspective  and                                                               
actively  coordinate  the  activities   and  the  funding.    She                                                               
emphasized   that   the   board  should   also   promote   public                                                               
participation   from   consumers,  including   senior   citizens,                                                               
disabled  persons, and  low  income individuals.    She said  the                                                               
overall plan will  serve all of the groups and  communities.  She                                                               
supported   the   concept   of  community   transportation   with                                                               
substantial community input to identify the needs.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:26:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  P. WILSON  pointed  out her  own  experience traveling  to                                                               
Bethel and  smaller surrounding  communities.   She said  she did                                                               
not  understand  how disabled  people  could  get around  without                                                               
cars, on boardwalks, or in muddy conditions.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DARLIN  remarked that  each  community  is different.    She                                                               
recalled that the Commission on  Aging made the same observations                                                               
in  Bethel.   She commented  that some  people could  not get  to                                                               
meals at  the senior center.   Although the community  is working                                                               
on this, the issues are problematic, she said.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
KATHIE  WASSERMAN, Executive  Director,  Alaska Municipal  League                                                               
(AML), introduced herself.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:28:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  referred to page  2, lines 19-20  of HB
131  to the  membership of  board.   He  asked for  her input  on                                                               
whether the composition was adequate.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. WASSERMAN  offered that when the  AML is invited to  serve on                                                               
task force or  group, the AML meets and  collectively decides who                                                               
could best  serve on  a particular  board.   She stated  that her                                                               
members  have the  ability to  represent  communities of  varying                                                               
sizes.  She  did not think it was necessary  to fill the proposed                                                               
task force with additional members.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  expressed concern  that but  seems like                                                               
one could perform.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. WASSERMAN answered yes.  She  stated that at times a specific                                                               
municipality  expresses interest  in serving.   She  related that                                                               
the  AML   also  meets   telephonically  to   discuss  individual                                                               
communities' concerns.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR P. WILSON left public testimony open on HB 131.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
[HB 131 was held over.]                                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 131.Community & Transportation Board.pdf HTRA 3/15/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 131
HB131 Sectional Analysis.2.2.11.pdf HTRA 3/15/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 131
HB131.Sponsor Statement.2.14.11.pdf HTRA 3/15/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 131
HB131.Alaska Mobility Coalition support ltr.2.15.11.pdf HTRA 3/15/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 131
HB131.Trust transportation priorities.pdf HTRA 3/15/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 131
HB131.Gov Task Force Recommendation Report.2.11.10.pdf HTRA 3/15/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 131
HB131.Gov Coordinated Transportation Task Force.pdf HTRA 3/15/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 131
HB0131A.pdf HTRA 3/15/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 131
HB131-DOT-PD-3-11-11.pdf HTRA 3/15/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 131
CSHB64- sub committee version I.pdf HTRA 3/15/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 64
HB64 Vehicle Counts Statewide.pdf HTRA 3/15/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 64
HB 64 CS Section Changes.pdf HTRA 3/15/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 64
HB 64cs Sponsor Statement.pdf HTRA 3/15/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 64
CSHB10 Ver B.pdf HTRA 3/15/2011 1:00:00 PM
HB 10